Durant defected to the enemy, and James was one tree hill. No matter how different the form, it is a group! Jordan, on the other hand, was held in his thigh. What can be questioned? First, what is a group? It is a reference to hold a group to keep warm! Holding a group to keep warm means that in the dead of winter, people hold each other to keep warm, which means that this is the most difficult time, so we should help each other and gather strength! In the NBA, holding a group refers to several players with similar strength. They find it difficult to achieve great things on their own. They decided to play for the same team in order to compete for the championship. After all, many hands make light work!
Second, so in the sense of holding a group, whether James, who played basketball with his brothers, or Durant, who joined after he failed, their behavior in those years was undoubtedly holding a group. First, they didn't have a champion before they held the group! Second, the team they joined in the group has at least two all-star players! To put it bluntly, fans don't quite recognize this kind of group behavior. Everyone likes to watch one-on-one battles, like personal heroism, and group fighting is not a real skill!
Third, we can also explain from the data why James and Durant's group behavior is so questionable, while the Bull Big Three led by Jordan is admired by thousands of people! First of all, let's take a look at the data performance of the Heat Big Three before holding a group (09- 10 season)!
Wade, who averaged 26.6 points, 4.8 rebounds and 6.5 assists per game, won a championship and finals MVP, and was also the scoring champion last season.
Bosh, averaging 24 points 10 rebounds and 2.4 assists per game, is the peak season of Bosh's career. The Raptors are the stars and the All-Star starts!
James, averaging 29.7 points, 7.3 rebounds and 8.6 assists, has won the MVP in the regular season for two consecutive years, started the All-Star Game and had the best team for a while. ...
Even for the champion, it is inevitable that such a big three will make irresponsible remarks when they compete together. Most importantly, James was only 25 years old at that time! This is also the most important point that James can't compare with Jordan and Kobe!
Let's take a look at the specific data performance of the Warriors Big Four before Durant Group (15- 16 season)!
Curry, 30. 1 point, 5.4 rebounds, 6.7 assists and 45.4% three-point shooting percentage, won the MVP in the regular season for two consecutive years, and was unanimously approved that year!
Thompson, 22. 1 point, 3.8 rebounds, 2. 1 assist, 42.5% three-point shooting rate, 37 points in a single quarter!
Green, 14 points, 9.5 rebounds, 7.4 assists, 1.4 blocks, the peak of the season, the best defensive lineup for some time!
Durant, 28.2 points, 8.2 rebounds and 5.2 assists, four consecutive seasons scoring champion, a regular season MVP!
This story is too bloody. After the Thunder led by Durant was reversed by the Warriors 4-3 in the Western Conference Finals, as the team leader, he did not learn from the painful experience and prepared for revenge. Instead, he chose to join the Warriors, which really made people look down on him! If I can't beat you, I'll join you and hug a 73-9 team at once. Durant was only 28 years old that year!
Finally, let's take a look at the specific performance of the Big Three. Jordan never left the Bulls before the Big Three came into being, which is the most essential difference between him and Durant and James! Let's still talk with data!
Pippen joined the Bulls as a rookie in the 87-88 season. Last season, Jordan averaged 37. 1, 5.2 rebounds and 4.6 assists, while Pippen averaged only 7.9 points and 2. 1 rebounds and 3.8 assists in the first season! Even when Jordan retired two years ago, Pippen led the team alone, and his peak data was only 22.02 points, 8.7 rebounds and 5.6 assists!
Rodman, he is a super blue collar. Before joining Bulls (94-95), he played for Spurs, averaging 7. 1 min 16 rebounds and 2.0 assists per game! In the first season after joining the Bulls, he got 5.5 points 14.9 rebounds and 2.5 assists!
So strictly speaking, Jordan, Pippen and Rodman are not the Big Three, because compared with Jordan, Pippen and Rodman can only be regarded as helpers! It is always Jordan who really decides the outcome of the game and the ownership of the champion! Look at the data of Jordan in the bull period, and the result is clear at a glance! Pippen and Rodman came to the bull and hugged Jordan's thigh! 10 scoring champion, 4 MVPs, 6 championships and 6 finals MVPs. ...
Finally, seeing this, I believe no one will say that Jordan is also holding a group! If you still don't understand why many people question James and Durant, then ask Wade fans, ask Curry fans and listen to their comments on James and Durant! As the saying goes, life is proud of Mo Yan, and humanity is only after judging right and wrong! In fact, there is nothing wrong with holding a group. What is wrong is the positioning of James and Durant and the blind worship of some of their fans! what do you think?
Before James joined the Heat, there was no championship; Wade has won the championship and has FMVP；; Bosh is the Dragon King and a famous figure in the history of Raptors.
Before Durant joined the Warriors, there was no championship; Curry is already an MVP and has a championship in hand; Thompson and Dreamcatcher Green also have Jianghu status.
After Jordan entered the league, he stayed with the Bulls until he led the team for two consecutive championships before announcing his retirement. Pippen and Rodman joined the Bulls, both behind Jordan. Pippen can't lead the team without Jordan. Jordan retired for the first time, and the bull's record plummeted; Jordan retired for the second time, and Pippen partnered Olajuwon and Buckley, and did not achieve good results; Rodman did have a championship ring before he joined the Bulls, but he was too functional, focused on defense and rebounding, and was never a team leader.
Can these three situations be the same?
Jordan overcame difficulties step by step and laid a solid foundation. It is understandable that James and Durant chose the relatively easy path.
But the nature of the three is really different.
First of all, I am a Durant fan.
When we think of Jordan, we will think of Bulls, Duncan will think of Spurs, Kobe will think of Lakers, Nowitzki will think of Mavericks, and which team will James think of?
What he did determined other people's opinions. James founded the Peak Newspaper Group. This is a fact that no one can change, not to mention the Celtics, 35+ ray allen, Pierce and Garnett. Add it up 100 years old, James can't afford to lose. Later Durant joined the Warriors at the peak. Don't say Durant defected to the enemy. Don't say who is signing up for the tour. It's just that Durant made it more thorough and desperate in James' way.
Jordan, who just debuted, was tortured by the bad boy army in the east to what extent. Instead of clamoring for reinforcement everywhere, he polished his own technology and crossed the rough at noon. As for James, there are countless O 'Neill, Wade, Doctor, West, Davis, Owen and Love every day, so he can't afford to lose. James and Jordan are at least 10 worse than each other. He is famous for being invisible in adversity and brushing points in prosperity, which is really far from the indomitable James like Jordan.
Durant has no black spots except joining the Warriors. He monopolized the Big Three and won four scoring titles. Compared with before, Jordan was followed by Durant, and then James.
Fans questioning "holding a group" is questioning opportunism! Not a few stars of the melodramatic team.
How can teammates not be famous if they can win the championship? If you can win three consecutive championships, how can you not become a giant? The key is where did this lineup come from? What does the success of teammates have to do with leadership?
Most of the draft teams in the Bulls lineup can win the championship and star status because of their efforts, and the team leader is one of the most important figures. He should not only have the dominance on the field, but also have the fighting spirit before pressure, the responsibility before failure, the guidance in training and the will to persevere! Only by doing this and leading the team to win all the victories can we be called leaders! Only in this way can you define the team honor of the champion as your own achievements and talk about historical status.
Pippen is not qualified to be an all-star until he wins the first championship. Rodman almost lingered at the end of his career until he won the championship three times in a row before he was qualified to become a giant in everyone's mouth. What about James and Durant's teammates? They have become the first line of the league, the team leader, the dream team member and the season champion.
James and Durant, a knight with many star teammates, always get the best result. It was Wade, Bosh, Owen and Love who became the top players of the season and built a talent system far beyond other teams that won the championship lineup. One is to join the champion team directly and win the championship lineup. The growth of teammates and the formation of the champion lineup all depend on the phone to recognize brothers and give up the bottom line. This is not opportunistic. What is this?
So the logic behind this question is like asking, can a person who lives by stealing money take other people's money as an excuse to wash away the white? The answer is obviously no.
Why is everyone only targeting James and Durant? That's because others earn and they steal. Finally, it is true that Durant is opportunistic, but he never pretends to be the leader of the warriors. He is more important than James who deceives the historical position of the world.
The situation of the three is different. It's true that James and Durant embraced. Even if I am a fan of Lao Zhan, I must admit it. However, Jordan's nature is not suspected of holding a group, and his greatness is beyond doubt.
At the peak, I chose to bring my talent to Miami and form the Big Three with Bosch Wade. Such a choice will naturally lead to controversy among countless fans. The so-called loyalty and championship honor, in the case of not having both, Lao Zhan must make a choice, just like the Celtics Big Three, they also chose the championship honor, which is understandable for athletes.
Durant may need to put another label on the nature of the group, saying that the ugly point is "defecting to the enemy." The Warriors suffered a 1: 3 reversal in the playoffs and then chose to join the Warriors, which was "the championship before you came". Of course, they also cooperated perfectly with the Warriors by virtue of their own strength to form the invincible death five, and successfully won the championship.
As for Jordan, he and Pippen were the players trained by the Bulls themselves from the beginning. There is no doubt about holding a group. Rodman didn't join the Bulls at his peak. At the age of 34, he is already a veteran.
Apart from the essential difference, why didn't anyone question Jordan? Because there are two most important factors.
1, as the god of basketball, his strength and greatness are beyond doubt. Under too strong light, some dim defects will always be covered up, so people's evaluation of Jordan is always positive, and those negative problems will also be diluted.
Times have changed. Most of the current NBA players are post-90s and post-00s, and they are also the main force of the Internet. Although the post-80s still love the NBA, they are unlikely to have much controversy over these remarks. It is also true that the post-90 s and post-00 s did not witness and experience Jordan's era, but they saw the era of James and Durant.
So they naturally have more say, arguing and criticizing James and Durant for holding a group on the Internet. Perhaps after James and Durant retired for many years, the aura of star achievements is as strong as covering up some defects. At that time, fans were less likely to question their combination and more likely to talk about the stars they saw and witnessed at the moment.
Simply loving basketball is purely a personal opinion. I am the god on the right hand side.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. . . 1987, Pippen and Grant, two rookies who averaged 7 points per game, were called giants, hahaha. When the Bulls won their first championship in 90-9 1 season, only Jordan was selected as an All-Star! Rodman, then 34 years old, was called a giant, hahaha. Holding a group? If Jordan learns to run and summons his dream Buckley, 10 will start continuously!
Look at James again, which decision is not to directly find a ready-made captain team and decide a Heat Wade and Raptors Bosh; That Owen and the Timberwolves are both happy; It is believed that Sanmei was the team leader who just played at that time. Even so, they only won the championship three times.
Durant will join the champion team sooner or later and fuck James twice! Prove that winning the championship at the peak is not your patent, and I will be more shameless than you. However, Durant remains low-key, and he will always be a man with his tail between his legs.
Wade said: James is great, but no one can compare with Jordan, even though he is my good brother.
In today's NBA league, it has become a trend for stars to compete for the championship. In other words, if a team wants to compete for the championship, it is not enough to have only one superstar player in the lineup. For example, a few years ago, James traveled to Miami, formed the Heat Big Three with Devon Wade and Chris Bosh, and won the championship twice in four years. In recent years, after Durant switched to Golden State, the Warriors became the overlord of the league. But these star groups are fundamentally different from Jordan, Pippen and Rodman of the Bulls at the end of last century. Here we explain the real reasons why the three bull stocks are not criticized in many ways.
Jordan made his debut in the windy city at the Chicago Glory 1984 draft. The Bull selected Michael Jordan with a flower probe, and Jordan's 15-year intermittent career began. During the period of 15, Jordan stayed in Chicago for the rest of his career except for his second comeback and two seasons in the Wizards.
During his 13 years with the Bulls, Jordan averaged 3 1.4 points, 6.2 rebounds and 5.4 assists per game. At the end of last century, the style of NBA was completely different from that of now. In that era when the inside was dominant, the defense was fierce and the overall three-point shooting level was relatively low, it was not easy for an outside player to average 30+ per game. The data of rebounds and assists also reflected Jordan's comprehensiveness. In Chicago Bulls, Jordan won the MVP of the regular season five times. After winning the scoring champion for the first time in the 86-87 season, Jordan took this honor into his arms in the next nine seasons. I'm afraid I won the scoring champion of 10 in a row, and there would be no such achievement. In these scoring seasons, Jordan undoubtedly entered the first round of the best team of the year.
The Bulls chose Jordan, and Jordan rewarded the Bulls with a series of excellent results. He dedicated the golden age of his career to this team. So no matter who came to Chicago in those days, Jordan was the owner here, and there was no report at all. This is very different from James and Durant. James, a Cleveland kid, switched to Miami after repeated setbacks in his career. The Heat was originally Devon Wade's team. Adu left after depression in Oklahoma and joined the Golden State Warriors led by Stephen Curry.
Jordan hasn't won the championship trophy yet. Jordan, Pippen and Rodman led the bulls to win the championship for three consecutive years from 1996 to 1998. This has always been the focus of hot discussion. However, many fans often ignore that Jordan actually has six championship titles in his career. Before the Big Three won the championship, Jordan had brought three championships to Chicago.
In 90-9 1 season, Jordan led the bulls to the finals for the first time. Against the Lakers led by Magic Johnson, Jordan averaged 3 1.2 points, 6.6 rebounds 1 1.4 assists in the whole series, almost exceeding the level of all players in the two teams. More importantly, Jordan's shooting percentage can reach 55.8%, even higher than some centers. He helped the Bulls win the first championship trophy in team history. In the next two seasons, Jordan not only maintained the level of rebounds and assists, but also scored a higher level than before. 1992-93 season, he once averaged 35. 1 point in the playoffs. After three consecutive championships, Jordan has actually established his position in the NBA. At least through these three champions, Jordan has proved that he can complete the summit without relying on the Big Three.
On the other hand, James made his debut in the Cavaliers. He led the team from weak to strong. Although he once took the Cavaliers to the first place in the regular season and entered the finals, for whatever reason, he failed to help the Cavaliers complete the real summit before going to Miami. Durant's experience is exactly the same as James's. If he had won the championship in the Thunder, Durant might still be wearing the Thunder shirt. However, the NBA has no ifs.
Old teammate Piro mentioned Jordan's second consecutive championship, and Pippen Rodman is an unavoidable topic. But their Big Three are quite different from the Heat and Warriors (Big Four), which can be reflected in their age. The average age of the Bull Big Three is 32, while the average age of the Heat Big Three is less than 27, and the average age of the Warriors Big Three is only a little over 27. Considering Dan Cong's age, the players of the latter two teams are at the peak of their careers.
On the competitive level, Pippen averaged 16 points, 7.5 rebounds and nearly 5 assists in Jordan's last three championships, while Rodman, 34, averaged only about 5 points. Although he averaged 1 1. 1 rebounds, such data show that it is more appropriate to classify Rodman as a blue-collar center than a giant. In the confrontation with Karl Malone and Kemp, although he can still rebound, his help from the offensive end can actually be ignored. Because of Jordan's outstanding appearance, he can even rightfully regard his last three consecutive championships as a "single-core leader." James J.S.Wong played an important role in James' Heat team, but Wade's firepower output was also quite good. Wade won the championship for two years, averaging 19 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in the playoffs. Not much different from Pippen for the time being. Then, Bosh averaged 15 points, much better than Rodman. If this gap is not obvious in the Heat, in the past two years when Durant went to Golden State Warriors to win the championship, Curry, as the "second master" on the field, had almost the same overall level as Durant, while klay thompson, as the "third master", was no less than Pippen in the bull period in terms of firepower output. Compared with the Big Three of Golden State Warriors, it is no exaggeration to call the Big Three of Chicago Bulls "the Big Three of the Poor". And most importantly, before Durant came to Jinzhou, Curry, Thompson and Green led the team to the summit.
In terms of personal honor, Pippen, Jordan's two partners, only one thief king, Rodman is better. He has won seven rebounds and won the best defensive player twice, but their combined achievements are nothing compared with Jordan. And James' two partners, Devon Wade, have led the team to the top, and the scoring champion is already in his hand. Although Bosh has no personal hard honor, he was also the absolute leader of the Raptors before coming to the Heat. Durant's teammates are more luxurious. Before Durant came to the Warriors, Curry's performance was no less than the former. In addition, the historical shooter Clay Thompson, who can hit 14 three-pointers in a single game and score 37 points in a single session, is really hard to compare.
In the end, every sport is constantly developing. In the era of Jordan, one person, one city or two evil spirits led the league. With the change of the times and the rise of salary cap, teams can sign more star players, which is also called league. You can't blame James or Durant. Jordan's uniqueness lies in not changing doors at the peak, and his strength exceeds that of two partners by more than one level, which is beyond the reach of Jandu and Jandu. This is also the direct reason why no one questioned the Big Three during the Jordan period.
Foreign countries are not as extreme as domestic ones. Although most people say that James takes a shortcut, he doesn't scold James as in China. I summed up two points:
1. The birth of the Heat trio blocked Kobe's hope of winning the championship. China people are gentle and easy-going, and most of them hate themselves and like idols that can make up for their personality defects. Therefore, Kobe Bryant, who is confident and even paranoid, has received unprecedented welcome in China. A big reason is that James took a shortcut and blocked Kobe's last chance to win the championship!
2. China people have a characteristic that they pay more attention to clan origin. This function is very interesting. We will worship rich people with rich backgrounds. Those who surpass the class by their own efforts will often be severely treated. Influenced by Confucianism for thousands of years, it has taught us to be content with the status quo, honest and diligent.
Kobe is a purple and gold aristocrat in Los Angeles, and it is easy for us to accept other stars to take refuge in him. But it is immoral for James to resist fate, get rid of barren land and choose a city that is not his hometown to win the championship.
However, foreign countries do not care so much about these things. At that time, except Cleveland, fans were more radical, but fans in other cities didn't respond much, and they were understandable and acceptable, and they didn't respond much. This is also the reason why China people treat James more radically than foreign countries.
If you don't come back from cremation, whether you like James or not, he is really 1 now, and one day is missing. If you don't like him, ignore him if you don't go to see him. If you don't like him, there's no need to see him, but you have to chase him and scold him. It's bad to be miserable and disgusting to others, don't you think?
There is no doubt that James and Durant are hugging each other. Before going to the Heat, James, Wade and Bosh were the top stars of their respective teams. Wade even won a championship with an average of 34.7 points in the finals and was elected as fmvp.
Before Durant went to the Warriors, the Warriors were already the championship team. 15- 16 season playoff, Durant reversed the Thunder with Durant and Westbrook and won the championship that year.
James and Durant didn't win the championship before holding the group. They both abandoned the team that spent a lot of energy training themselves and chose to join the team with stronger teammates.
To put it bluntly, in order to pursue the championship, the loyalty and unyielding temperament of a super giant should be ignored. These two points are very common among the stars in the 1980s and 1990s, and they are highly respected. Moreover, they have caused the nba's current stars to hold a group, and the balance between league teams has been broken. In addition, Durant's Warriors have a super lineup of five all-stars, which has seriously affected the degree of confrontation and visibility of the game.
Compared with James, Durant's joining the Warriors feels more like "defecting to the enemy". No matter how talented he is, there will still be something worthy of criticism.
Jordan, Pippen and Rodman are different from James and Durant. 1995-96 season, the Bulls got Rodman from the Spurs, formed a lineup dominated by Jordan, Pippen and Rodman, and won the nba championship for three consecutive years, casting the second consecutive championship between Jordan and Bulls.
But the Big Three and James went to the Heat, and Durant went to the Warriors, which was totally different:
First of all, Rodman was 34 years old when he joined the Bulls. Although he won the rebounding championship for three consecutive years, his overall ability is not at the peak, and there is still a big gap compared with top strikers like Buckley and Malone. His contribution to the team, except for the 95-96 season, was not very prominent in the playoffs in the next two seasons.
It can be said that Rodman is not a real giant, and Wade (Bosh) is not as important as LeBron or Curry (Thompson) as Durant. A blue-collar player with rebounding ability may not be able to win three consecutive championships under the leadership of Jordan.
Secondly, Jordan and Pippen are both stars trained by the bulls themselves, and there is no such thing as holding a group.
Jordan was directly drafted by the Bulls. Pippen was first selected by the Sonics, but was later traded directly to the Bulls. It can be said that both of them are superstars who grew up in the bulls, so even if they are strong, there will be no criticism. The best we can say is that bulls choose their eyes high.
This, like Curry and Thompson of the Warriors, is the growth of the Warriors and the final championship. Therefore, when the Warriors are stronger, no one will say that Curry and Thompson are a group, but only criticize Durant who defected to the enemy.
To sum up, the nba is actually a business. No matter how James and Durant choose, there is no right or wrong. We also want to thank them for bringing us wonderful games with their talents and efforts.
We all yearn for heroes, so we look forward to these superstars, hoping that they can be loyal, indomitable, stick to the first team and finally beat their opponents to win the championship. But the reality is cruel. There are many superstars, loyal, hardworking and talented people, but there is only one champion every year, and many times heroes can only be sad heroes.
Just like Malone, stockton and Ewing in Jordan's time, if you want to win the championship, you must understand.
James returned to the Cavaliers after the Heat, completed redemption and led the Cavaliers to win their own championship. I hope Durant can complete the redemption as soon as possible.
There is no point in saying so much at last, because there is only one God.
Holding a group to win the championship has been mentioned more and more frequently in recent years. This is the first time that I mentioned that the Green Army formed the Big Three in 2008 after watching football for more than ten years, but at least at that time, the Green Army traded Garnett and ray allen through operating assets. Except Garnett, the other two of the Big Three are not first-class superstars. After that, more and more players choose to join the group, or openly ask to be traded, or wait until the contract ends and join hands with others to become free agents directly. Players have also formed many small groups in private. Even historical superstars such as James and Duran won the championship.
For such a practice, people who disagree think that players should pay more attention to "loyalty" and the home team should be grateful for training him. Those who agree think that the team only regards the players as assets, so it should think more about itself. This is a view from two angles, so in the end, we can't say who is right or wrong, and our positions are different. Everyone has different standards for holding a group, but Jordan is also a big three lineup, but he has never been questioned to hold a group. What is the reason?
In those days, the Big Three Bulls were actually Jordan, Pippen and Rodman. Looking at the personal achievements of these two men, Pippen has a steal king, eight for one defense, three for one time, Rodman has seven rebounding kings and seven for one defense. They are really giants. But you need to note that Pippen has been with Jordan since his rookie season. At that time, who knew he would become a talent? That Jordan has been waiting patiently for Pippen to grow up. Rodman was a 34-year-old veteran when he joined the Bulls. At that time, because of personality problems, Rodman was close to unemployment in the league, that is, Jordan was courageous and let the management boldly sign Rodman.
Jordan's teammates look excellent, but after leaving Jordan, everyone's strength has declined, which means Jordan has played a leading role. He is a real team leader.
Jordan never left the Bulls to win the championship. He didn't choose to take a shortcut. Before 9 1 won the championship, Jordan was abused by Celtic and Pistons three times respectively. If it were another superstar, his confidence might not be crushed. Only Jordan dares to challenge this mountain. After losing several playoff games in a row, Jordan only silently improved himself, instead of asking the management for advice. To get this player or that superstar, he has the confidence to conquer his opponent by his own strength, which is the most admirable.
Finally, Jordan's strength far exceeds others. No matter in the playoffs or the regular season, he is the scoring champion, and others win the championship by him, not by others, so no one will question the gold content of Jordan's championship, and no one will say that he won the championship by holding a group.