PRESIDENT: Are there any other questions? Dimitrov, do you have any questions?
Dimitrov: I still have many questions, especially because today, the Prime Minister of Prussia and the leader of the German Socialist Party have testified. Let's talk about a few small problems first! Count Hay Dolf confessed to the court here that he automatically issued an order on February 27th 1 1 or 12: 30, demanding the immediate arrest of all leaders of the Berlin * * * Production Party and the Social Democratic Party. Did he get instructions from his superiors when he did this? According to his answer to this question, it is completely automatic. I want to ask you, Mr. Prime Minister, at eleven o'clock, half past twelve or twelve o'clock, did Count Hay Dolf talk to Mr. Goering about what measures should be taken because of the arson in Congress? Goering: This question is easy to answer. To tell the truth, I have already answered it in my previous speech. As soon as Earl Hai heard of the fire, just like any of us, he knew it must have been done by the * * * production party. Therefore, he gave such instructions to his cronies. But I want to emphasize again that I once called him to my office and told him that I now think it necessary to ask him to instruct his stormtroopers to arrest everyone immediately-he replied that he had already given such instructions. So I am responsible for this instruction. But at that time, in fact, this instruction had not been executed-because it was only half an hour. I am responsible for the instruction issued, and I confirm that it has the nature of an order from a national authority. Otherwise, I might say (which is technically possible): Listen, Count Hay Dolf, I don't want to do this. I will finish it in other ways. I beg you not to get involved in this matter! These two things are consistent. At that time, I was responsible for the instructions he gave to his subordinates that were not really put into practice. Now this order has been carried out in the name of state organs, so the state is responsible for this order.
Dimitrov: Mr. Prime Minister, there is no doubt that Count Hay Dolf agrees with Mr. Goering on the arson case in Parliament. I just want to know whether you and Count Hay Dolf met privately between eleven and twelve o'clock. This is what I want to know.
Goering: I just said it, and you heard it just now. Needless to say, Count Hay Dolf came to see me.
Dimitrov: OK! Galbin and Frye, members of the National Socialist Party, once confessed to the judge here. At about eleven o'clock, maybe a little later, they reported the arson in Congress to the Ministry of the Interior, saying that they and Chloe, a member of the Austrian National Socialist Party, saw Torje Lear on the day of the fire? De? Lubei is together. Did these two members talk to Prime Minister Goering in person? Goering: No.
Dimitrov: Do you know that Mr. Galbin and Mr. Frye will report it? Goering: I didn't know about it until I submitted this report. Of course, I want to read this report, because it is one of the decisive and extremely important documents.
Dimitrov: May I know when you saw this report? Goering: The day after the fire.
Dimitrov: Morning or night? Goering: God, I don't remember. Around lunch.
Dimitrov: I want to record this.
Goering: I can see the report at any time in the future according to the certificate.
Dimitrov: So, before or after meals? PRESIDENT: Mr. Witness has answered this question. He said he didn't know, but he could be sure later.
Goering: The statement of Dills, the minister's adviser, recorded in the record can definitely tell when this testimony was first reported to me.
Dimitrov: On this issue, I would like to remind you, Mr. Prime Minister, that Mr. galvani, Mr. Frye and Mr. Chloe once categorically claimed that they reported my problem at one o'clock or half past one in the middle of the night (lawyer Techel; But not to Mr Goering). But then all three gentlemen stayed in the internal affairs department! Goering: I stress again that it is clear that these three people went to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and made a report there, but only for officials, not for me. I don't know when these people came to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. I didn't know about it until someone first reported it to me. The case file was submitted to me along with countless other reports. On this issue, I once again declare: I don't remember when I saw the report, but I can confirm it at any time in the future. This may happen at night ―― I don't know; This may have happened before dinner ― I don't remember. You know, I have a lot of other things in the past eight months. But this matter can be determined at any time in the future.
Dimitrov: On February 28th, the newspaper published a report or interview of Prime Minister Goering on the arson case in Congress. What it said there (I remember the content of this report clearly): the arson in Congress was done by the * * * production party (Mr. Minister emphasized it here more than once), and Torje Lear participated in it; In addition, it is said that the arrested party member Lubei is a Dutch producer. When he was arrested, he found a passport and a party card of the * * * production party. Let me ask you: Mr. Goering, Prime Minister, where did you know that Lubei had a party card? Goering: I must say that so far, I'm not very interested in this case, that is to say, I haven't read all the reports. But sometimes I find that you are a very cunning person, so, to be honest, I guess you must have made this question clear long ago. I have already said: I can't run around or search other people's pockets. I have the police (if you don't know). These policemen will search all the recidivists (if you don't know) and report their findings to me (if you don't know). You know, it's an obvious thing.
Dimitrov: Mr Goering, Prime Minister ... (President; Dimitrov ...) If I have the freedom to speak, ...
PRESIDENT: Now let me speak! Dimitrov: Mr. President! I remind you that this question has been answered. Dimitrov: If I had the freedom to speak! ) This question has been answered. If you want to ask a new question, you can say it now, but what you say should make me really understand.
Dimitrov: Yes, it's absolutely true: I told the Prime Minister that I caught Fan? De? Lubei also questioned his three policemen, who confessed with one voice here that no party card was found in Lubei. I wonder why Mr Goering said so in his report.
Goering: I can say for sure. Dimitrov: Please! This is an official report. Maybe the report was made on the first night, so officials didn't have time to check it so quickly. It is also possible that the party card was mentioned in the official record of questioning witnesses. The official did not check the records and thought it was a fact. Of course, he also reported it to me. I handed the report to the newspaper before lunch the next day. Of course, the investigation was not over at that time. I know this report from the record. I don't know where the officials went wrong, but where they didn't check the report. But this is not important, because here, during the trial, it has been clearly stated that Lubei has no party card. This is decisive.
Dimitrov: As the Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior of Prussia, of course, you are responsible for the actions of the criminal police after the parliamentary fire. As prime minister and minister, did you take immediate measures to investigate? PRESIDENT: I don't understand what you just said. Say it again! Dimitrov: I asked, as Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior and Speaker of the National Assembly, did Goering order the police to immediately search for Rube's accomplices? Goering: Of course! Of course (he said so himself) he is in charge of his own department, his own police, isn't he? Goering: Exactly! ) I ask you, on February 28th and 29th or a few days later, what did Mr. Interior Minister do to investigate all the behaviors of Lubei, such as going from Berlin to Hanningsdorf, appearing in Hanningsdorf police station, spending the night in Hanningsdorf detention center, and meeting two people here? Mr Goering, what did your police station do to investigate these clues and determine Rupert's accomplice? President: This is a very long question!
Dimitrov: Very clear! Goering: I have emphasized my responsibility. You don't have to ask such a question. If you are a careful person, you will know from what I said. As I said, I am a minister, and of course I don't have to search criminals like a spy. I have criminal police to do it, and they will find out the case. Moreover, when Lu Bei is found guilty, all the evidence of the criminal police should be mainly given to the court, not to me. I just ordered an investigation as quickly and accurately as possible. I have pointed out more than once that Lubei should have accomplices, and I totally understand (dimitrov: I totally understand). Therefore, these swindlers should be put into prison as soon as possible. This is my order.
Dimitrov: As Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior of Prussia, you issued a declaration, an official declaration to Germany and the world, which said that the producer of * * * was an arsonist in Congress (Goering: Of course! ), this is done by the producer (Goering: Of course! ), German * * * production party and foreign * * * party member Fan? De? Lubei colluded with other similar people. After the publication of this declaration, this view provided a clear direction for the police investigation and the subsequent court investigation, and because your declaration prevented other possibilities and ways to find the real arsonist, didn't you say so? Goering: I already know what you want to say. Very obvious. Interpol is ordered to go out to investigate, and they will go there to look for clues. Anyway, it's all the same. But you know, I'm not a criminal policeman. I am a minister with great responsibility, so for me, what I care about is not the individual liar, but the political party and world outlook responsible for the crime. Interpol has been investigating all the clues, you can rest assured. But my job is to determine whether this behavior is treason, that is, to determine whether it is a political crime or a crime that does not belong to the political category. This is a political crime. I understood it as soon as it happened, just as I understood it today: You should go to your party (turn to dimitrov) to catch criminals (growl at dimitrov). Your party is a criminal party and should be eliminated! President (to dimitrov): Since you talked about the opinion of the court, I ... didn't you just say it? Is this the opinion of the court? Dimitrov: No, Mr. President, I mean, this kind of political view may affect the police and subsequent court investigations, because for this reason, these investigations are mainly one-way. Therefore, I ask questions.
Goering: Mr dimitrov, if this is true, then the police investigation is going in the right direction.
Dimitrov: That's your opinion, but mine is completely different.
Goering: My opinion is decisive.
Dimitrov: Of course, I am the defendant!
PRESIDENT: You can only ask questions.
Dimitrov: I will continue, Mr. President. Does Mr. Goering know that this "should be eliminated" party he just mentioned rules one-sixth of the world? This is the Soviet Union. Goering: What a pity! ) This Soviet Union has diplomatic, political and economic relations with Germany. Due to the economic order of the Soviet Union, thousands of German workers in Qian Qian had and still have jobs. Do you know this? Goering: I know. Dimitrov: That's great! ) I know. I will be very happy if I hear that Russian promissory notes can be cashed. This helps to make these orders really work for workers. But I still have to say that this is a foreign matter. What Russia does has nothing to do with me. I'm just here to deal with the swindlers of the German * * * production party and the foreign * * * production party who set fire to the Congress.
Dimitrov: It is your right to stand up to kpd. And my right and the right of the * * * production party are to live illegally in Germany and fight against your government; We are fighting this struggle, we are competing with each other, not ...
President: dimitrov, I forbid you to carry out propaganda of the * * * production party here. Dimitrov: Mr Goering is here to promote the National Socialist Party. ) I absolutely forbid you to do so. You can't promote the Party in this hall.
Dimitrov: Mr. President, regarding my last question, there is one more question that needs to be clarified: political parties and world outlook. Prime Minister Goering declared here that the Soviet Union is a foreign country, and this country can do whatever it wants, but it has to fight * * * in Germany. But this world outlook, this Bolshevik world now rules the Soviet Union, the most powerful and outstanding country in the world, and millions of believers who represent the outstanding sons and daughters of the German people here in Germany. Do you know that?/You know what?
Goering (growling): Listen to me. I want to tell you what the German people know now. The German people know how rude you are here. You came here for the arson in Congress, and then you were so arrogant. I'm not here for you to sue. Dimitrov: You are a witness! In my opinion, you should have been hanged a long time ago.
Dimitrov: Very good. I am very satisfied.
President: dimitrov, I have told you before, don't carry out propaganda of the * * * production party. (dimitrov wants to go on) Now don't you dare say another word. I'll kick you out. You shouldn't carry out propaganda of the * * * Party here. You've done it twice. No wonder the witness is so angry. I absolutely forbid you to do this. If you want to ask questions, you can only ask pure business questions.
Dimitrov: I am very satisfied with Mr Goering's explanation.
President: I don't care whether you are satisfied or not (dimitrov: Very satisfied! When you finish these words, I will deprive you of your right to speak. Dimitrov: I want to ask a question. I deprive you of the right to speak. Sit down. Dimitrov: I only ask business questions. I deprive you of the right to speak.
Dimitrov: Mr. Prime Minister, are you afraid of my question? Goering: You should be afraid. As long as you leave the court, I will arrest you, you liar, you! PRESIDENT: dimitrov is not allowed to appear in court for three days. Get him out of there! (dimitrov is ejected from the hall. )