Is this an advanced car in terms of pedigree and history?
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Before the birth of Lexus LM, Erffa was always considered as the ceiling of high-end MPV. But before the birth of Erffa, when it comes to Japanese high-end MPV, the top car must be Nissan Elgrand. At that time, Toyota didn't have any luxury vans, and it was impossible to make Nissan by sea lions and tyrants. So we decided to drive two cars, Sea Lion and Granvia, to touch Elgrand, but these two cars seemed to be off course. After all, it is a real van with an engine under the driver's ass, which failed to form a real product benchmark with Elgland, and the effect was not satisfactory. As a result, Toyota made a big move, tinkering with the structure of the overlord and making the first generation of Erffa.
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The first generation Erffa was sold from 2002 to 2008, and often appeared in Hong Kong films, but this car was introduced to the mainland market. It is worth mentioning that in the second year after the release of the original model, Toyota added a 2.4L hybrid model in addition to the power of 2.4L and 3.0L It is suggested that those media teachers who are eager to boast that the cash mixed mode is the first mixed Erffa, learn the history of the mode.
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In 2008, Toyota introduced the second generation of Erffa, which was the first impression of most mainland consumers on Erffa. Perhaps because of the frequent appearance of Hong Kong films, or because of the same choice of various big coffees, Toyota officially introduced the mainland market and set off a wave of buying. At the same time, domestic small workshops also copied many vans that looked like Erffa. Because it is too spicy, the author won't let it out. Interested friends can search Mustang Spica and Kowloon Effie.
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In 20 15, Toyota introduced the third generation, which is the cash model. The current model has steadily increased the price by 400,000 yuan. What about the product itself? At least, consumers are very appreciative of the "advanced level" of this car. The difference between the two hybrid models currently on sale is 66,5438+0,000 yuan. The main difference between the two models is the addition of noise-reducing glass, (rear side) infrared and ultraviolet-proof glass, and the addition of advanced seats. The model experienced in this paper is the distinguished version, with a guide price of 870,000 yuan.
Is it really so comfortable to sit up?
The back row is the selling point of Erffa, but the comfort is two points, and the static state is almost perfect, but the dynamic feeling may be 30% off.
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First of all, this Ottoman chair is perfect and really comfortable. In terms of the author's figure, this seat is like a memory sponge, which fits perfectly from thigh to hip, from back to shoulder, and then to the back of the head. It is not a big sofa in the usual sense, and the padding is not soft to the end. The place that provides support is definitely not stupid, and you won't feel tired after sitting for a long time.
It can provide all the fancy functions you can think of, and the workmanship and materials are impeccable. Turn on the seat heating/ventilation, and you can feel the cool wind or hot air in just a few seconds. The speed shocked the author.
The small table in the back row is first-class, thick and stable, and can support heavier laptops. The Taipei beauty van that the author often drives doesn't have such a good small table board, and the loose plastic can't even bear the weight of a business book in a day, so it can only be used to put some drinks and snacks.
If I have to find fault in the back row, I want to make three points. First, the manual adjustment before and after is slightly degraded, second, the glass cannot be minimized, and third, the sound of JBL is real (I don't know why JBL is used in such an expensive car), so I can only listen to moving songs every time, and listening to female voices is a terrible experience.
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Once the car starts, all good feelings will be discounted by 30%. First of all, the sound insulation is not good, the road noise control is acceptable, but the wind noise suppression is not good. Within 100km/h, Erffa is very quiet, and the wind noise of 1 10km/h seems to have reached a certain spiritual point. If it is accelerated, the wind noise will increase like an exponential explosion. Secondly, the vibration filtering performance of Erffa is poor. If you expect this car to have a vibration filtering texture similar to a million-class D-class car, you can only say that it is naive. The performance of this car in dealing with continuous slight bumps is devastating, and a lot of extra vibration will be transmitted to the car, which feels like walking on a gravel road in cloth shoes.
In all fairness, El Fabio Desai is much better in terms of "feeling tall and heavy", but it is far less than the five generations of Grand Jetron, and even has a certain gap with the previous generation Buick GL8 (never experienced cash), which belongs to the serious injury of millions of luxury cars. But then again, many critics (in order to demonstrate that some low-priced MPVs are cost-effective) exaggerate that Erffa is bumpy and hard (and some car owners complain), and the author doubts its authenticity. It is true that Erffa's car itself is not so good, but I suspect that they did not check and set the correct tire pressure during the experience. Take this new car as an example. The ex-factory tire pressure is actually 3.5bar (it was taken away as soon as it arrived at the store, and it is impossible for Erffa to stock up without the statement that 4s adds tire pressure to the stock car), but the author read the instructions and found that the recommended tire pressure is 2.8bar and 2.5bar.
How does the driver feel?
When the author enjoyed it in the back row, the owner had complained many times that the car was not easy to drive. The owner's daily scooter is more than 600 super-runners, so it is definitely not accurate to evaluate the van. Therefore, I didn't quite believe what he said about "difficulty in driving", "poor motivation" and "no desire to drive" until I got in the driver's seat ... I really didn't want to drive. The only thing that impressed me in the driver's seat was the details: the automatic headlights are very sensitive and the switching speed is extremely fast; Lane change assistance is very sensitive, and the vehicle pressure line in the second lane outside will also give an early warning.
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Sitting in the driver's seat, the author has a "driver's feeling". The last time I felt this way was driving a Lexus LS460L. Erffa's steering wheel is large in size and the angle is not vertical enough. When driving, he always feels that he is carrying a basin of foot washing water. There are many turns, and when I move my car, I always think, "How can I still fight?" . The steering feeling is relatively light, and the change range with speed and angle is very small, which is in line with the author's expectation. It is worth mentioning that when turning to 15-20, the fuel supply (for example, on a high-speed ramp) will occasionally have a nonlinear step gain, and the driver can obviously feel a "hurdle", one side is obviously light and the other side is obviously heavy. Once the oil is collected, this feeling disappears.
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Braking feels weird, too. Simply put, it is hard, and the braking force release is not linear. As for the transition between electric braking and mechanical braking, the deliberate feeling is really not very coherent and natural, but if I don't tell the car that it is a hybrid model and let the author step on it blindly, to be honest, I can't notice the difference.
The first feeling when stepping on the gas pedal is that the reaction is still very good. After all, it is a hybrid car. Pure electricity is also very comfortable to follow the car at low speed in urban areas, not at all, very smooth and easy to control. But once the traffic speeds up, the car begins to look inadequate.
"Xiao Chen drives steadily."
"If you don't want stability, you are not afraid of stability. When driving a hybrid Erffa, you must remain stable. "
No matter how the driver steps on it, the passengers in the back row are as stable as old dogs. It's not that the driver drives steadily, but that this car is really boring! It's so meaty, it's about to kick into the firewall.
The comprehensive power of this hybrid system in Erffa is only 163 horsepower. You know, this is a 2.29-ton heavy-duty car. If you think about it with a hook, you will know that the power is not enough. The response was really good, but it was really worrying after the speed came up. It is generally recognized that the Carcassock Overriding 2700 within 80km/h is still relatively light, while the hybrid Erffa above 40km/h is basically a sage who wants nothing.
Generally speaking, if the boss doesn't drive this kind of car, forget the meat. Anyway, the driver is uncomfortable, but can Toyota make the engine start less? It is normal for the machine to start slowly and accelerate. When it is driven by electricity, the oil drops on the floor and the tractor-like action are no different from those of the Asian dragon. As a high-end car that is close to 6.5438+0 million yuan without fare increase, it really shouldn't be.
My opinion on the price
To sum up, at present, the real product value of hybrid Erffa is about 50 in my opinion, and the guide price of more than 800,000 already includes added value, that is, luxury goods and business card attributes. The author launched a public opinion survey in Weibo, that is, what is the real product value of Erffa, and the results are as follows.
Nearly half of the more than 5,000 netizens voted 300,000-400,000, and some netizens gave the basis, which is the price in Japan. However, is the well-known "local price" true?
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Some netizens have heard from hearsay that they will come with their mouths open. Yes, there are 3.52 million yen (about 220,000 RMB) Erffa on this Japanese map, but it is an unaffordable 2.5L eight-seat model, which is completely different from the Erffa bought in China. If you want to buy domestic top hybrid exclusive? Lounge, the price went to 7.599 million yen (about 480,000 yuan). Even from the local price point of view, the Chinese standard top with Erffa is at least 500,000 cars. Considering the comprehensive tax rate of imported cars, Erffa is also a high-end car with a size of 600 and around 200,000, which is much darker among imported luxury cars.
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By the way, the price of an earlier 3.5L model in Japan is also equivalent to more than RMB 480,000. Considering the high comprehensive tax rate at that time, the guide price of 20 18 3.5L top model was 846,000, which was not black at all. Supporters of "local selling price" who claim that Erffa is only worth 200,000 to 300,000 obviously don't really know the real selling price of Erffa in Japan. At present, Erffa on sale, due to the reduction of displacement and the adjustment of 3% VAT rate, the comprehensive tax rate is much lower than that of 3.5L models, but the pricing has not been reduced, which is the only black spot in the current Erffa guidance price.
After talking about the guidance price, I would like to talk about Kan Kan's immature views on fare increase. Does the fare increase really increase the added value? Let's look at the added value of Erffa. First of all, this car costs more than 480,000 RMB in Japan. Considering the positioning of Daman as a top MPV, its origin guide price must contain a large premium component. Considering the comprehensive tax rate of imported cars, it is reasonable to set the current Erffa price above 600,000 yuan, and this part already includes the so-called added value. In fact, the price of medium-sized models is close to 900,000, and the extra 200,000 is also favored by the China market, and it is willing to gain additional value. So far, Erffa, with a price of more than 800,000 yuan, has included two huge luxury car premiums beyond the product strength. Is that the third one?
From the point of view of value for money, buying Erffa at the original price is already a car purchase behavior of the rich who are extremely tolerant of premium and extremely indifferent to cost performance. The increase is more like the tolerance of bosses who can't get cars to the unbalanced supply and demand relationship and GAC Toyota's deformed dealer bundling distribution system. Now the fare increase in Erffa has dropped sharply, and there is no grand occasion of waiting for a bus with an increase of more than 300,000. Personally, there are three reasons: First, the attractiveness of hybrid models is not as good as that of V6 version; Secondly, the newly launched sister model Wilfa has become the only direct competitor in the market, which has more or less diverted some relatively pragmatic buyers who are holding money and watching Wilfa; Third, and most importantly, the launch of Lexus LM directly raised the ceiling of this market segment. The biggest reason why many Erffa owners buy this car is just because it is the most expensive and the most honorable in face. These car owners are very insensitive to cost performance. Now with LM, a more expensive and elegant car, the attraction of Erffa in this group is bound to decrease.
summary
The current Erffa has a good ride experience and a poor driving experience, and it is a barely qualified product according to the standards of high-end MPV. If the pursuit of the ultimate quiet and excellent chassis texture, and there is a demand for self-driving, I think D-class luxury cars are more suitable. This car is still suitable for buyers who have full-time drivers, like high sitting posture and sense of space, and have a high pursuit of "face" attributes.
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